How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

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We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

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I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

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Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

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Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

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ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

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ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

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There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

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I am like a fish out of water,

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

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That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

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ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

Now here in this verse

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

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— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

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Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

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ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

Kabir (a weaver)

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

then who is there to know what happens without?

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

NOW…

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

CONCLUSION:

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

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Raamaanand Jee, First House:

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To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

Sain (a barber)

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.